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Originally the '''C-mount''' was no affair concerning still cameras. The one inch screw-mount was one for cine lenses, used on 8mm and 16mm cine cameras, surveillance cameras and TV-cameras. Old sophisticated cine cameras had a revolver with several one inch threads to hold a whole set of C-mount lenses. After the invention of the [[zoom lens]] the most cine cameras lost this revolver feature.
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|image_text= Kern [[Switar]] 25mm 1.5 lens adapted onto<br />[[Panasonic]] Lumix GX7's [[µ4/3]] bayonet
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The '''C-mount''' consists of a one-inch diameter cylinder threaded to a pitch of 1/32-in, or 32 threads per inch. It was designed specifically for lenses used on 16mm cine cameras. However, a small number of subminiature still cameras have been made using the same lenses, including the [[Schatz Sola]], Optikotechna [[Mikronette]] and the [[Doryu 2-16|Doryu]] pistol-shaped police cameras.
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The "C" designation derives from the evolution of the mount from its "A" and "B" predecessors.  All shared the same thread and diameter, but had different mounting depths; the three are not interchangeable. A-mount and B-mount lenses were used primarily on Filmo cameras of [[Bell & Howell]]. The cine camera and lens maker began to feature interchangeable lenses earlier than its concurrents like Victor. The first C-mount camera was the Bell&Howell's Filmo&nbsp;70 for 16mm film.
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Thread depths varied from maker to maker, but the proper A-B-C distinction lies not in the total thread depth but in the distance from the flange seat of the lens barrel to the innermost thread. The C-mount eventually became the standard mount for higher-quality amateur 16mm cine cameras.
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Some of the better quality cameras had a turret with a capacity for two or more lenses for making rapid changes in focal length. Though [[zoom lens]]es were available in the 1940's, they were very expensive and involved some optical compromises, so were not widely used until they had achieved better and more consistent quality at lower prices. After this was achieved, they eventually came to replace the turret in the 1960's, particularly in cameras for the amateur film maker. The C-mount zoom lenses became dominating when some professional and amateur video cameras with C-mount appeared.
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When video camera design evolved to modern camcorder design the interchangeable lenses vanished, but a few C-mount lenses are still produced for the market of surveillance cameras and industrial process control cameras.
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Cine cameras were often equipped with superb C-mount optics made by renowned lens makers like [[Kern]], [[Taylor-Hobson]], [[Dallmeyer]], [[Meyer]], [[Angénieux]], [[Elgeet]], [[Berthiot]], and [[Schneider]]. [[Wollensak]] and [[Kodak]] also made some fine cine lenses. Video camera C-mount lenses were made for example by [[Canon]] and [[Fuji]]. Survey lens makers and industry lens makers are Fujian, Rainbow, Computar, [[Tamron]] and [[Pentax]] (Cosmicar brand).
  
Cine cameras need fast lenses because of shooting 18 or more images per second. That's the reason for a completely different culture behind the large variety of cine lenses. Thus f1.2, f1.4, f1.5, f1.8 and so on are typical standard lens speeds of these items, whilst f1.7, f1.8 and f2.8 are the most common standard lens speeds of still cameras. Even cine [[zoom lens]]es have speeds beginning with f1.2, f2, f2.4, while most still camera zoom lenses start with lens speed f3.5 .
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===C-mount revival===
  
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In this century, people have begun to experiment with C-mount lenses on digital (still) cameras, a trend boosted by the launch of the [[Micro Four Thirds|Micro Four Thirds (&micro;4/3)]] cameras which have an appropriate flange/sensor distance to allow adaption of the 16mm cine lenses.
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Similar new [[CSC]] lens mounts which followed like the [[Sony NEX]], Nikon CX, [[Pentax Q]] or EOS M mounts allow C-mount lens adaption too. Lens adaptors are widely available except for Samsung's mount.
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Some think the older uncoated lenses may be more satisfactory for [[bokeh]] experiments, but a cheap "TV lens" for survey cameras may surprise positively too. Zoom lenses made for C-mount are a bit bulky and heavy but may be attractive for videographers who use for example a Panasonic Lumix GH &micro;4/3 camera since many C-mount zoomers are much faster than the original [[CSC]] zoom lenses.
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An issue may be the lens' back when it is longer than its C-mount thread. For example Sony TV-lenses or Rainbow industrial process control lenses might not fit in &micro;4/3 cameras. Another issue are survey camera lenses for the similar CS-mount which are made for a shorter flange/sensor distance and smaller image size. On C-mount they can make only macro images which must be cropped.
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Meanwhile, the image circle of many lenses is unlikely to cover the entire area of the image sensor without serious [[vignetting]] since 16mm frame size is smaller than a &micro;4/3 sensor. Especially [[wide-angle]] C-mount lenses covering the whole sensor are very rare. The C-mount enthusiast will have to crop many images and videos shot with C-mount lens.
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The formats APS-C and even µ4/3 are not the ones which were and are in the focus of C-mount lens development. The maximum sensor size of survey cameras is smaller: 1&nbsp;inch. That's more than 16mm film's 1/2" diagonal, so that several old 16mm movie lenses have a smaller image circle than 1". On the other hand there are survey lenses offered especially for 1" format, and some lenses for 2/3" format with longer focal lengthes may give a 1" image circle too. Thus system cameras with 1" sensors are more convenient concerning sufficient image circle or vignetting of adapted C-mount lenses.
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Cheap C-mount adapters are available for the [[Nikon 1]] cameras, but with those gadgets You get your MF lenses only utilisable in M mode of the camera. That means: in manual exposure setting mode. An alternative camera is the [[Samsung NX mini]], but mechanical adapters aren't cheap, only made by one American maker. Of course these adapters enable convenient lens use in A mode, that means aperture priority with automatic exposure time setting, and that means all what C-mount adapters for µ4/3 mount deliver too. But they are not always available. For users of only small C-mount lenses the maker offers a CS mount adapter for the NX mini to which a light C-mount lens easily can be adapted, by means of a 5mm C-mount lens tube extension or a similar C/CS-mount adapter.
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But the [[Nikon 1]] system is not out of the game: A chipped adapter can simulate the presence of a system lens so far that automatic shutter speed setting will be usable, too. Of course this adapter isn't cheap, too, since only available from one Russian maker. Thus, both options, either a [[Nikon 1]] camera or the [[Samsung NX mini]], might work conveniently as C-mount-adapting camera, but both for an adapter price that, shipment included, might cost nearly as much as a used camera body.<ref>The author recently got a used [[Nikon 1 V1]] for 66€ including shipment, the electronic adapter from Russia would cost at least 61€. My NX mini (used) cost 88€, adapter plus shipment was almost half as much.</ref>
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Since [[Olympus]] and [[Panasonic]] had introduced the first cameras for the [[Micro Four Thirds]] autofocus lenses there are still cameras in the market with a flange focus distance almost like that of the C-mount lenses. That was the first chance for photo amateurs to think about using C-mount cine and CCTV lenses on still cameras. Soon the appropriate [[adapter]]s were available, even cheap ones made in [[China]]. When [[Sony]] introduced the concurrent Sony NEX camera system the adapter makers offered C-mount adapters for the NEX too.
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The original reason for that c-mount lens hype of still camera users is that especially sophisticated cine cameras were often equipped with superb optics made by great old lens makers like [[Taylor-Hobson]], [[Angénieux]], [[Cooke]], [[Elgeet]], [[Berthiot]], [[Kowa]], [[Canon]] and [[Schneider-Kreuznach]]. [[Pentax]] Cosmicar lenses are partially even available as new items, as well as simpler so-called "CCTV" lenses for survey cameras. Customers must care not to buy the cheaper CS-mount lenses instead. These are only usable for a newer generation of survey cameras, and definitely not on the C-mount adapters for still cameras.
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The quality of C-mount lenses differs much. There are sophisticated lenses, once used on luxurious Beaulieu cine cameras, and there are simple lenses without aperture selector. Thus the lenses with limited settings are good for experimental [[photography]] while well-preserved cine lenses of higher quality will be full-scale photography lenses but with cine characteristics when used on a still camera. Nowadays there are much more C-mount adapters available than good old C-mount cine lenses. That's because of the CCTV lens having been discovered as new kind of camera toy. Many people like to experiment with these simple lenses on their digital cameras like others do with [[pinhole camera|pinhole]] "lenses" even on sophisticated [[SLR]]s.
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*[http://www.flickr.com/groups/c-mount_/ images made with c-mount lenses on 4/3 mount] on Flickr
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*[http://www.flickr.com/groups/c-mount_/ Images made with C-mount lenses on &micro;4/3 mount] on Flickr
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*[https://olypedia.de/index.php?title=C-Mount C-mount] in [https://olypedia.de Olypedia] (German)
  
 
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The C-mount consists of a one-inch diameter cylinder threaded to a pitch of 1/32-in, or 32 threads per inch. It was designed specifically for lenses used on 16mm cine cameras. However, a small number of subminiature still cameras have been made using the same lenses, including the Schatz Sola, Optikotechna Mikronette and the Doryu pistol-shaped police cameras.

The "C" designation derives from the evolution of the mount from its "A" and "B" predecessors. All shared the same thread and diameter, but had different mounting depths; the three are not interchangeable. A-mount and B-mount lenses were used primarily on Filmo cameras of Bell & Howell. The cine camera and lens maker began to feature interchangeable lenses earlier than its concurrents like Victor. The first C-mount camera was the Bell&Howell's Filmo 70 for 16mm film.

 

Thread depths varied from maker to maker, but the proper A-B-C distinction lies not in the total thread depth but in the distance from the flange seat of the lens barrel to the innermost thread. The C-mount eventually became the standard mount for higher-quality amateur 16mm cine cameras.

Some of the better quality cameras had a turret with a capacity for two or more lenses for making rapid changes in focal length. Though zoom lenses were available in the 1940's, they were very expensive and involved some optical compromises, so were not widely used until they had achieved better and more consistent quality at lower prices. After this was achieved, they eventually came to replace the turret in the 1960's, particularly in cameras for the amateur film maker. The C-mount zoom lenses became dominating when some professional and amateur video cameras with C-mount appeared.

When video camera design evolved to modern camcorder design the interchangeable lenses vanished, but a few C-mount lenses are still produced for the market of surveillance cameras and industrial process control cameras.

 

Cine cameras were often equipped with superb C-mount optics made by renowned lens makers like Kern, Taylor-Hobson, Dallmeyer, Meyer, Angénieux, Elgeet, Berthiot, and Schneider. Wollensak and Kodak also made some fine cine lenses. Video camera C-mount lenses were made for example by Canon and Fuji. Survey lens makers and industry lens makers are Fujian, Rainbow, Computar, Tamron and Pentax (Cosmicar brand).

C-mount revival

In this century, people have begun to experiment with C-mount lenses on digital (still) cameras, a trend boosted by the launch of the Micro Four Thirds (µ4/3) cameras which have an appropriate flange/sensor distance to allow adaption of the 16mm cine lenses.

Similar new CSC lens mounts which followed like the Sony NEX, Nikon CX, Pentax Q or EOS M mounts allow C-mount lens adaption too. Lens adaptors are widely available except for Samsung's mount.

Some think the older uncoated lenses may be more satisfactory for bokeh experiments, but a cheap "TV lens" for survey cameras may surprise positively too. Zoom lenses made for C-mount are a bit bulky and heavy but may be attractive for videographers who use for example a Panasonic Lumix GH µ4/3 camera since many C-mount zoomers are much faster than the original CSC zoom lenses.

 

An issue may be the lens' back when it is longer than its C-mount thread. For example Sony TV-lenses or Rainbow industrial process control lenses might not fit in µ4/3 cameras. Another issue are survey camera lenses for the similar CS-mount which are made for a shorter flange/sensor distance and smaller image size. On C-mount they can make only macro images which must be cropped.

Meanwhile, the image circle of many lenses is unlikely to cover the entire area of the image sensor without serious vignetting since 16mm frame size is smaller than a µ4/3 sensor. Especially wide-angle C-mount lenses covering the whole sensor are very rare. The C-mount enthusiast will have to crop many images and videos shot with C-mount lens.

Newer options with smaller sensors

The formats APS-C and even µ4/3 are not the ones which were and are in the focus of C-mount lens development. The maximum sensor size of survey cameras is smaller: 1 inch. That's more than 16mm film's 1/2" diagonal, so that several old 16mm movie lenses have a smaller image circle than 1". On the other hand there are survey lenses offered especially for 1" format, and some lenses for 2/3" format with longer focal lengthes may give a 1" image circle too. Thus system cameras with 1" sensors are more convenient concerning sufficient image circle or vignetting of adapted C-mount lenses.

Cheap C-mount adapters are available for the Nikon 1 cameras, but with those gadgets You get your MF lenses only utilisable in M mode of the camera. That means: in manual exposure setting mode. An alternative camera is the Samsung NX mini, but mechanical adapters aren't cheap, only made by one American maker. Of course these adapters enable convenient lens use in A mode, that means aperture priority with automatic exposure time setting, and that means all what C-mount adapters for µ4/3 mount deliver too. But they are not always available. For users of only small C-mount lenses the maker offers a CS mount adapter for the NX mini to which a light C-mount lens easily can be adapted, by means of a 5mm C-mount lens tube extension or a similar C/CS-mount adapter.

But the Nikon 1 system is not out of the game: A chipped adapter can simulate the presence of a system lens so far that automatic shutter speed setting will be usable, too. Of course this adapter isn't cheap, too, since only available from one Russian maker. Thus, both options, either a Nikon 1 camera or the Samsung NX mini, might work conveniently as C-mount-adapting camera, but both for an adapter price that, shipment included, might cost nearly as much as a used camera body.[1]

  1. The author recently got a used Nikon 1 V1 for 66€ including shipment, the electronic adapter from Russia would cost at least 61€. My NX mini (used) cost 88€, adapter plus shipment was almost half as much.


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