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:About the Bergheil, sure it would be interesting but I have access to almost no document (except Afalter's book with a couple of pictures) and unfortunately I don't read German so I would be unable to understand the original sources even if I found some.
 
:About the Bergheil, sure it would be interesting but I have access to almost no document (except Afalter's book with a couple of pictures) and unfortunately I don't read German so I would be unable to understand the original sources even if I found some.
 
:Regards, [[User:Rebollo fr|Rebollo fr]] 18:35, 13 November 2006 (EST)
 
:Regards, [[User:Rebollo fr|Rebollo fr]] 18:35, 13 November 2006 (EST)
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== Identification flowchart ==
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I would like to add an identification flowchart, inspired from the work of [[User:GitzoCollector|GitzoCollector]]. I will surely need to spend some time to make it work, and I will make my first attempt below, to avoid ruining the page. I started with a copy of GitzoCollector's flowchart for the Mamiya Six.
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{|rules=rows
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|-
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|-
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|| '''''START'' : Is there a body release button?'''
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|-
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{| class="wikitable collapsible collapsed"
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|width=33%|A normal cell in the header row
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! colspan="2"| Header cell spans two cols
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|-
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| colspan="2" | Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
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|width=33%| Separate body cell
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|}
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[[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Rangefinder Windows| '''TWO''']] Windows
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:Is there a horizontal bar underneath the lens?
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::Yes
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:::The right hand, square viewfinder window is:
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::::Flush with the casing→[[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six Automat|Mamiya Six Automat]]
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::::Surrounded by a small back rim → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six Automat 2|Mamiya Six Automat 2]]
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::No
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:::The right hand, square viewfinder window is:
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::::Flush with the casing
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:::::Film Advance knob is
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::::::Solid with film speed on top→[[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six P|Mamiya Six P]]
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::::::Mushroom shaped
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:::::::Depth of Field Indicator is
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::::::::in a small raised ring → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six IVb|Mamiya Six IVb]]
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::::::::flush with top housing → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six K2|Mamiya Six K2]]
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::::Surrounded by a small black rim → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six IVs|Mamiya Six IVs]]
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::::Surrounded by small rectangular plate
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::::::Viewfinder housing to the left of the shutter release is
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::::::Curved→  [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six IV|Mamiya Six IV]]
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::::::Straight → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six K|Mamiya Six K]]
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::::Surrounded by a rectangular plate that encompasses the left round window as well → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six V|Mamiya Six V]]
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|-
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|bgcolor="#E0F8F7" | [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Rangefinder Windows| '''THREE''']] Windows
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:Does the body have triangular neckstrap lugs?
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::Yes
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:::How many [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Strut Mechanism|Struts]] ?
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::::Two → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six Ia|Mamiya Six Ia]]
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::::Three → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six I|Mamiya Six I]]
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::No
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:::Is there a  [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Flash Contacts|Flash Contact]]?
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::::Yes 
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:::::The [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Flash Shoe | cold shoe for the flash]] is fastened with
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::::::two screws, set diagonal → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six III (post war versions)|Mamiya Six III post-War production]]
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:::::::front door release is
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::::::::single raised button → Variant A
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::::::::twin set of buttons → Variant B
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::::::three screws → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six III (war-time version)|Mamiya Six III war-time production]]
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::::No
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:::::How many [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Strut Mechanism|Struts]] ?
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::::::Two → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six IIa|Mamiya Six IIa]]
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::::::Three → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six II|Mamiya Six II]]
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Revision as of 16:53, 21 December 2010

Splitting this page in four?

I think that I will split this page into four separate articles: Semi Minolta I and II, Auto Semi Minolta, Semi Minolta III, Semi Minolta P because 1- it is becoming too long and 2- nearly all the resulting articles would be illustrated. Any opinion? --Rebollo fr 12:37, 12 November 2006 (EST)

U. Kulick, 13 November 2006: Hello Rebollo, I think you should let the article as long as it is. It was already in discussion whether articles should cover a whole camera series or just a single model. Germans would say: That's a dispute about the Kaiser's beard. Look into our To-Do-List, I've listed a camera which is worth to write about next because it is traded at high prices, people want to know about that treasure: The Voigtländer Bergheil. Isn't that a new topic for you? Best regards, Uwe

I will leave it as is for the moment until I have pictures for the Semi P. I have still much material to put in this article and I think I will have to split later. For example the number of footnotes is becoming unreasonable. Moreover in my opinion the Auto Semi and Semi P are completely different cameras.
About the Bergheil, sure it would be interesting but I have access to almost no document (except Afalter's book with a couple of pictures) and unfortunately I don't read German so I would be unable to understand the original sources even if I found some.
Regards, Rebollo fr 18:35, 13 November 2006 (EST)

Identification flowchart

I would like to add an identification flowchart, inspired from the work of GitzoCollector. I will surely need to spend some time to make it work, and I will make my first attempt below, to avoid ruining the page. I started with a copy of GitzoCollector's flowchart for the Mamiya Six.

START : Is there a body release button?

TWO Windows

Is there a horizontal bar underneath the lens?
Yes
The right hand, square viewfinder window is:
Flush with the casing→Mamiya Six Automat
Surrounded by a small back rim → Mamiya Six Automat 2
No
The right hand, square viewfinder window is:
Flush with the casing
Film Advance knob is
Solid with film speed on top→Mamiya Six P
Mushroom shaped
Depth of Field Indicator is
in a small raised ring → Mamiya Six IVb
flush with top housing → Mamiya Six K2
Surrounded by a small black rim → Mamiya Six IVs
Surrounded by small rectangular plate
Viewfinder housing to the left of the shutter release is
Curved→ Mamiya Six IV
Straight → Mamiya Six K
Surrounded by a rectangular plate that encompasses the left round window as well → Mamiya Six V
THREE Windows
Does the body have triangular neckstrap lugs?
Yes
How many Struts ?
Two → Mamiya Six Ia
Three → Mamiya Six I
No
Is there a Flash Contact?
Yes
The cold shoe for the flash is fastened with
two screws, set diagonal → Mamiya Six III post-War production
front door release is
single raised button → Variant A
twin set of buttons → Variant B
three screws → Mamiya Six III war-time production
No
How many Struts ?
Two → Mamiya Six IIa
Three → Mamiya Six II