User talk:Hoary/draft

Some remarks about Tōyō

What a mess it is! You are courageous to cope with this. I have a couple of questions/remarks:

1. I think that 土居 reads Doi.
2. I have received the book edited by Lewis and I don't find it very reliable, I have seen a big number of mistakes. For example the prewar Prince Flex and postwar Princeflex have nothing to see in terms of design.
3. I also think that カメラ名前辞典五十音順上ア〜ト is not a reliable source of information.
4. This page is really interesting for the Prince Flex / Princeflex connection. There is a picture of a postwar camera labeled TOYO SEIKI OPT. CO. LTD. (possibly a prototype, given the s/n 1001)
5. Is 光洋精機 a typo for 東洋精機 or is it yet another company?
6. Here is what is in McKeown (easily lost in Japanese names, but often seems to copy Sugiyama):
   • Elbow Flex by Elbow Camera Firm (I can send you pictures showing this name on a box or user manual)
   • Elega-35 and Elegaflex by Nitto Seiko or Nitto Shashin
   • prewar Prince Flex by Fujimoto, Prince Junior by Prince Camera Co
   • Rolex TLR and Rolex-35 by Toyo Seiko Co
   • Toyocaflex and other Toyoca cameras by Tougodo Optical
   • Peacock and Tone by Toyo Kogaku abbreviated Toko. The Mighty is also attributed to this company, but I think it was by Tōkō Shashin
   • Easternflex not attributed
   • Elbow Six, Elizaflex, Larkflex, Toyoflex not mentioned

--Rebollo fr 07:52, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

Hah, I thought you might notice this! I've been intending to send you an invitation to join the fun, but I keep discovering more to put in. (Unfortunately, little of the new stuff helps to explain; it merely adds confusion.) I could spend an hour putting in stuff right now, but I have a bad cold and an incipient headache (not helped by attempting to decipher miniature copies of ads!), so it will have to wait. In the meantime, however:

• I think that 土居 reads Doi.
  • Yes, that's a correction I was about to make. (Tomorrow, tomorrow.)
• I have received the book edited by Lewis and I don't find it very reliable, I have seen a big number of mistakes.
  • Me too. Well, it's thought provoking. I mean, I read something in it and think "That could be true; let's try to check."
• Is 光洋精機 a typo for 東洋精機 or is it yet another company?
  • It's very possibly a typo for something else, but if so it's not my typo. (I've just checked.)
• Toyocaflex and other Toyoca cameras by Tougodo Optical
  • Yes. The two things I'm certain of are that Toyoca and Toyo Field/View are utterly unrelated to any 東洋.

When I've done about as much work on this as I can, I think I'll print it out and take it along to the JCII museum library. Offhand I don't know if I'm eligible to use the library, and I don't know what I'll find in it even if (when) I enter. But I should be able to talk may way in, and at least it should have Sugiyama. -- Hoary 09:21, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

• This page is really interesting for the Prince Flex / Princeflex connection. There is a picture of a postwar camera labeled TOYO SEIKI OPT. CO. LTD. (possibly a prototype, given the s/n 1001)
  • Yes, it is indeed so labeled. (Well actually its more like "TOYO SEIKI    OPT.CO.LTD.") In view of that, I wonder why the writer then says 東洋光機製. What happened to 精機? -- Hoary 01:40, 26 July 2006 (EDT)