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:Yes, very good points. Where's the best place to discuss this? Name your preferred place, and I'll be happy to kick off the discussion. ([[:Category talk:Root category]] is not a good place, because I think I can persuade you that [[:Category:Root category]] is better deleted to make way for two replacements -- I don't want to start a discussion and later to delete it.) -- [[User:Hoarier|Hoarier]] 05:14, 9 January 2012 (PST) | :Yes, very good points. Where's the best place to discuss this? Name your preferred place, and I'll be happy to kick off the discussion. ([[:Category talk:Root category]] is not a good place, because I think I can persuade you that [[:Category:Root category]] is better deleted to make way for two replacements -- I don't want to start a discussion and later to delete it.) -- [[User:Hoarier|Hoarier]] 05:14, 9 January 2012 (PST) | ||
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| + | :: Dustin, this follows up on some email discussions we had. I have always found our category system perplexing, and inconsistently applied. I suggested to Hoarier that his background might make him a good person to look into this. The hope is to repair some of our system's inconsistencies and unclear logic. --[[User:Voxphoto|Vox]] 08:07, 9 January 2012 (PST) | ||
Revision as of 16:07, 9 January 2012
Lens mounts
Question on edits to Lens mounts page. You made a change to all the dimensions that rendered them unsearchable. I'm not certain what the change was, the diff highlights them and it appears you replaced the 'x' character with an uptypeable character (at least on a normal US style keyboard). Previously I could do a control-F and search for, say a "24 x 36" value and find them but that no longer works. I'm curious what the motivation is as this new character looks the same but thwarts searches?
Steevithak 21:58, 4 January 2012 (PST)
- Ah. It hadn't occurred to me that people would search for "24x36" or whatever, especially as the table can be ordered by any column. I changed "x" to "×" ("×") which in the computer/browser I'm using now and in most others I'm used to looks different and a bit better. It's very widely used here in CW; though now I remember that it's not used for categories (presumably to ensure ease of input); thus the Mine Six "is the name of a series of 6×6 folding rangefinder cameras [...]" ("times" sign) but it's in "Category:Japanese 6x6 rangefinder folding" (lowercase "X"). Shall I change them all back? Doing so would be simple. -- Hoarier 22:13, 4 January 2012 (PST) slightly reworded 01:39, 5 January 2012 (PST)
- If it's easy to revert, I'd prefer that. Though if it's worth discussing on the mailing list first, I'm okay with seeing what everyone else thinks. My feeling is 99% of users won't know how to use XML entity values to create a multiplication symbol vs an 'x', so we'll end up with a mix of both and complaints from editors about unnecessary complications when we end up with a mix of both on a page. I tracked down a reference in the WP style guide that says the multiply symbol is preferred for math equations but 'x' is okay to mean "by" in dimensional reference such a 6 by 6 or 6x6.
Steevithak 22:23, 4 January 2012 (PST)
- If it's easy to revert, I'd prefer that. Though if it's worth discussing on the mailing list first, I'm okay with seeing what everyone else thinks. My feeling is 99% of users won't know how to use XML entity values to create a multiplication symbol vs an 'x', so we'll end up with a mix of both and complaints from editors about unnecessary complications when we end up with a mix of both on a page. I tracked down a reference in the WP style guide that says the multiply symbol is preferred for math equations but 'x' is okay to mean "by" in dimensional reference such a 6 by 6 or 6x6.
- There, I've invited people to comment here. I suggest waiting a day or so; if people prefer "x" I'll then happily change back to "x". -- Hoarier 01:18, 5 January 2012 (PST)
- I changed back. -- Hoarier 04:45, 8 January 2012 (PST)
Category rethink
On Category:Root category, you have written Camera-Wiki realizes that there are problems with the category tree, and is planning an improvement. This troubles me because no discussion of such a plan has reached my ears. If you are planning anything, I recommend that you have the discussion first. Major, un-discussed changes by any individual are unhelpful, in what is supposed to be a community, and as the Help pages say, categories can create a lot of work. Secondly, we generally write as ourselves, not as the personification of Camera-wiki.org, don't we? --Dustin McAmera 03:31, 9 January 2012 (PST)
- Yes, very good points. Where's the best place to discuss this? Name your preferred place, and I'll be happy to kick off the discussion. (Category talk:Root category is not a good place, because I think I can persuade you that Category:Root category is better deleted to make way for two replacements -- I don't want to start a discussion and later to delete it.) -- Hoarier 05:14, 9 January 2012 (PST)
- Dustin, this follows up on some email discussions we had. I have always found our category system perplexing, and inconsistently applied. I suggested to Hoarier that his background might make him a good person to look into this. The hope is to repair some of our system's inconsistencies and unclear logic. --Vox 08:07, 9 January 2012 (PST)
