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I would like to add an identification flowchart, inspired from the work of [[User:GitzoCollector|GitzoCollector]]. I will surely need to spend some time to make it work, and I will make my first attempt below, to avoid ruining the page. I started with a copy of GitzoCollector's flowchart for the Mamiya Six.
 
I would like to add an identification flowchart, inspired from the work of [[User:GitzoCollector|GitzoCollector]]. I will surely need to spend some time to make it work, and I will make my first attempt below, to avoid ruining the page. I started with a copy of GitzoCollector's flowchart for the Mamiya Six.
  
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{|rules=rows  
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<!-- Start of table -->
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|-
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{| rules=rows width=100%
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|| Answer to the following questions to find your variant of the Semi Minolta
 
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|-
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|| '''''START'' : Is there a body release button?'''
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|| '''1.''' Is there a shutter release on the main body?
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:Yes -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Yes -> Semi Minolta (I)
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 |
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:? -->
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:{| rules=rows width=100%
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|| '''2.''' Is there an optical element inside the viewfinder?
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:No -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | No -> "Type A"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 |
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:? -->
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::{| rules=rows width=100%
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|| '''3.''' Is the focus ring behind the shutter or at the front?
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:Behind -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Behind -> "Types A1/A2"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 |
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:Behind 4:? -->
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:::{| rules=rows width=100%
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|| '''4.''' Is there a cylindrical post or an accessory shoe?
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:Behind 4:Post -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Cylindrical post -> "Type A1"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type A1" is extremely rare, only seen in advertisements. Lens numbers are known in the 28xx and 29xx range.
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:Behind 4:Post -->
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:Behind 4:Shoe -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Accessory shoe -> "Type A2"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type A2" is very rare. Lens numbers are known in the 33xx and 34xx range.
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:Behind 4:Shoe -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:Behind 4.? -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2.No 3:Behind -->
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:Front -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Front -> "Type A3"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type A3" is extremely rare, only seen in advertisements.
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:Front -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:No 3:? -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:No -->
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Yes -> "Types B/C/D/E/F"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 |
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:? -->
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::{| rules=rows width=100%
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|| '''3.''' Are the film flanges low or high?
 
|-
 
|-
 
||
 
||
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{| class="wikitable collapsible collapsed"
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|width=33%|A normal cell in the header row
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:Low -->
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! colspan="2"| Header cell spans two cols
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Low -> "Types B1/B2"
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!
 
|-
 
|-
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| colspan="2" | Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
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| colspan=2 |
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|width=33%| Separate body cell
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|}
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:Low 4:? -->
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[[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Rangefinder Windows| '''TWO''']] Windows
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:::{| rules=rows width=100%
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:Is there a horizontal bar underneath the lens?
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|| '''4.''' What is the shutter's top speed?
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::Yes
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|-
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:::The right hand, square viewfinder window is:
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||
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::::Flush with the casing→[[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six Automat|Mamiya Six Automat]]
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::::Surrounded by a small back rim → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six Automat 2|Mamiya Six Automat 2]]
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:Low 4:1/100 -->
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::No
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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:::The right hand, square viewfinder window is:
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| width=80% | 1/100 -> "Type B1"
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::::Flush with the casing
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!
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:::::Film Advance knob is
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|-
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::::::Solid with film speed on top→[[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six P|Mamiya Six P]]
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type B1" is hard to find, though it is the most common version of the model I. Body numbers are known in the 023xx to 025xx range, and lens numbers in the 94xx to 104xx range.
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::::::Mushroom shaped
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:Low 4:1/100 -->
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:::::::Depth of Field Indicator is
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::::::::in a small raised ring → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six IVb|Mamiya Six IVb]]
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:Low 4:1/200 -->
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::::::::flush with top housing → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six K2|Mamiya Six K2]]
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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::::Surrounded by a small black rim → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six IVs|Mamiya Six IVs]]
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| width=80% | 1/200 -> "Type B2"
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::::Surrounded by small rectangular plate
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!
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::::::Viewfinder housing to the left of the shutter release is
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|-
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::::::Curved→  [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six IV|Mamiya Six IV]]
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type B2" is rare. Lens numbers are known in the 94xx to 112xx range.
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::::::Straight → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six K|Mamiya Six K]]
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:Low 4:1/200 -->
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::::Surrounded by a rectangular plate that encompasses the left round window as well → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six V|Mamiya Six V]]
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:Low 4:? -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:Low -->
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | High -> "Types C/D/E/F"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 |
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:? -->
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:::{| rules=rows width=100%
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|| '''4.''' Is the handle attached to the body or to the back?
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Body -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Body -> "Type C"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type C" is rare. Lens numbers are known in the 112xx to 150xx range.
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Body -->
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Back -> "Types D/E/F"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 |
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:? -->
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::::{| rules=rows width=100%
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|| '''5.''' Is the shutter plate engraved by hand or machine-stamped?
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Hand -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Engraved by hand -> "Type D1"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type D1" is rare. Body numbers are known in the 050xx to 053xx range, and lens numbers in the 274xx to 277xx range.
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Hand -->
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Machine-stamped -> "Types D2/E/F"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 |
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:? -->
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:::::{| rules=rows width=100%
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|| '''6.''' Is there a recessed oval on the folding bed?
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:No -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | No -> "Type D2"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type D2" is very rare. Lens numbers are known in the 287xx to 294xx range.
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:No -->
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:Yes -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | Machine-stamped -> "Types E/F"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 |
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:Yes 7:? -->
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::::::{| rules=rows width=100%
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|| '''7.''' How many red windows are there in the back?
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:Yes 7:Two -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | No -> "Type E"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type E" is extremely rare, with a single example confirmed. Body number is in the 059xx range, and lens number in the 302xx range.
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:Yes 7:Two -->
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<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:Yes 7:One -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | No -> "Type F"
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!
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|-
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| colspan=2 | The Semi Minolta (I) "type F" is extremely rare, with a single example confirmed.
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:Yes 7:One -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:Yes 7:? -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:Yes -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine 6:? -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:Machine -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back 5:? -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:Back -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High 4:? -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:High -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes 3:? -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:Yes -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes 2:? -->
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|}<!-- 1:Yes -->
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|-
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||
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<!-- 1:No -->
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{| class="collapsible collapsed" width=100%
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| width=80% | No -> Semi Minolta II
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!
 
|-
 
|-
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|bgcolor="#E0F8F7" | [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Rangefinder Windows| '''THREE''']] Windows
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| colspan=2 | Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
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:Does the body have triangular neckstrap lugs?
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|}<!-- 1:No -->
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::Yes
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|}<!-- End of table -->
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:::How many [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Strut Mechanism|Struts]] ?
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::::Two → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six Ia|Mamiya Six Ia]]
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<!--
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::::Three → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six I|Mamiya Six I]]
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:Is there a lens inside the viewfinder?
 
::No
 
::No
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:::Is there a [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Flash Contacts|Flash Contact]]?
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:::Is the focus ring at the front or behind the shutter?
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::::Yes 
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::::Behind
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:::::The [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Flash Shoe | cold shoe for the flash]] is fastened with
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:::::Is there an accessory shoe or a cylindrical post?
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::::::two screws, set diagonal → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six III (post war versions)|Mamiya Six III post-War production]]
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::::::Cylindrical post -> Semi Minolta (I) "type A1"
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:::::::front door release is
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::::::Accessory shoe -> Semi Minolta (I) "type A2"
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::::::::single raised button → Variant A
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::::At the front -> Semi Minolta (I) "type A3"
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::::::::twin set of buttons → Variant B
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::Yes
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::::::three screws → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six III (war-time version)|Mamiya Six III war-time production]]
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:::Are the film flanges high or low?
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::::No
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::::Low
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:::::How many [[Mamiya_Six_Design_Variations#Strut Mechanism|Struts]] ?
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:::::What is the shutter's top speed?
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::::::Two → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six IIa|Mamiya Six IIa]]
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::::::1/100 -> Semi Minolta (I) "type B1"
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::::::Three → [[Mamiya_Six#Mamiya Six II|Mamiya Six II]]
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::::::1/200 -> Semi Minolta (I) "type B2"
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|-
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::::High
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|}
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:::::Is the handle attached to the body or to the back?
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::::::To the body -> Semi Minolta (I) "type C"
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::::::To the back
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:::::::Is the shutter plate engraved by hand or machine-stamped?
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::::::::Engraved by hand -> Semi Minolta (I) "type D1"
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::::::::Machine-stamped
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:::::::::Is there a recessed oval on the folding bed?
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::::::::::No -> Semi Minolta (I) "type D2"
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::::::::::Yes
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:::::::::::How many red windows are there in the back?
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::::::::::::Two -> Semi Minolta (I) "type E"
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::::::::::::One -> Semi Minolta (I) "type F"
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Latest revision as of 21:13, 21 December 2010

Splitting this page in four?

I think that I will split this page into four separate articles: Semi Minolta I and II, Auto Semi Minolta, Semi Minolta III, Semi Minolta P because 1- it is becoming too long and 2- nearly all the resulting articles would be illustrated. Any opinion? --Rebollo fr 12:37, 12 November 2006 (EST)

U. Kulick, 13 November 2006: Hello Rebollo, I think you should let the article as long as it is. It was already in discussion whether articles should cover a whole camera series or just a single model. Germans would say: That's a dispute about the Kaiser's beard. Look into our To-Do-List, I've listed a camera which is worth to write about next because it is traded at high prices, people want to know about that treasure: The Voigtländer Bergheil. Isn't that a new topic for you? Best regards, Uwe

I will leave it as is for the moment until I have pictures for the Semi P. I have still much material to put in this article and I think I will have to split later. For example the number of footnotes is becoming unreasonable. Moreover in my opinion the Auto Semi and Semi P are completely different cameras.
About the Bergheil, sure it would be interesting but I have access to almost no document (except Afalter's book with a couple of pictures) and unfortunately I don't read German so I would be unable to understand the original sources even if I found some.
Regards, Rebollo fr 18:35, 13 November 2006 (EST)

Identification flowchart

I would like to add an identification flowchart, inspired from the work of GitzoCollector. I will surely need to spend some time to make it work, and I will make my first attempt below, to avoid ruining the page. I started with a copy of GitzoCollector's flowchart for the Mamiya Six.

Answer to the following questions to find your variant of the Semi Minolta
1. Is there a shutter release on the main body?


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