Talk:Schneider

Needs to be toned down

"Schneider or Schneider-Kreuznach has been designing and manufacturing high quality lenses for cameras and other optical instruments since 1913. Over 14 million precision Schneider lenses have been sold worldwide. Schneider camera lenses are renowned for their quality, and have equipped many fine cameras, including the superb Alpa 12S/WA."

There are five hype expressions in three lines, please tone down. --Rebollo fr 17:57, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Agreed. Actually I zapped one of these quite independently, while you were writing this. Incidentally, I'd point out that these superlatives could just as well be added to most of the lenses produced by Nikon and Mamiya, and to a large percentage of those produced by Olympus, Canon, Konishiroku, Asahi/Pentax, etc etc. -- Hoary 18:01, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Please don't remove content

The current version is replacing a previous version where it was said: "Their lenses were often proposed as the second best choice, just behind Carl Zeiss, both firms were considered of equal quality, with Schneider a little less expensive."

I agree that this sentence was too general and not satisfactorily worded. However it contained an information that was valid at least for some period. I can give a good number of examples of cameras offered with both a Schneider and a Zeiss lens, the Schneider lens being a less expensive alternative for the same focal length and aperture.

It is not considered acceptable to suppress content without justifying it either in the change summary or in the talk page. At least it is the rule in wikipedia, and I would like it to be applied in camerapedia too. --Rebollo fr 18:03, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Perhaps the problem is that the first half of the deleted sentence seems to make sense (whether or not you consider that it's true) but that it's apparently contradicted by the second half. (Well, the second half is ostensibly about firms, but surely about lenses.) Here's a guess at the meaning: Its lenses were often considered the second best choice, just behind those of Carl Zeiss. Other people considered that the lenses of both firms were of equal quality, with Schneider's a little less expensive. (I'd guess again that this is all a bit silly: that for some choices the CZ option was better, for some the two were just as good, and for some the Schneider was better. And for the huge majority of photographers, the difference between quality of lenses was trivial beside ergonomic and other problems with the cameras and of course their own deficiencies as photographers. But I'm just guessing again.) -- Hoary 18:14, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

You are perfectly right, and I was not overly regretting this sentence, but I would rather see it improved than deleted. For example: "On German fixed-lens cameras, Schneider lenses were often proposed as a slightly cheaper alternative to the Carl Zeiss lenses, even if most people considered both firms to be in the same league." What is of interest is not the quality comparison but the fact that people were ready to pay more to have the Zeiss name on their camera.

One hour earlier I had to restore content in the Ferrania Ibis 66 page, and this content was perfectly clear (date of release, type of shutter and another minor feature). I know nothing about this camera and I don't care that much, but I don't want to see content disappearing without a word of explanation. I am not in the mood (and will never be, for that matter) to look at each change in detail to verify if something has been removed. --Rebollo fr 19:44, 1 June 2006 (EDT)