User talk:Sannse

Welcome

Hello and welcome to Camerapedia.

By chance, you happen to be the first member to register after Camerapedia's change of status was unilaterally announced by Lbstone, precisely two minutes after the announcement was posted.

You may know, or not, that the new situation has been diversely appreciated by the community of authors, and by people who contributed other contents to the website.

As the first new member of Camerapedia as a commercial website, I would be glad to hear your impressions.

--rebollo_fr 11:36, 20 January 2011 (EST)

general discussion

Hi, I'm part of Wikia's Community Support team. You can read more about me on my Wikia Community Central page - or I'm happy to answer questions here :) - Sannse 13:22, 20 January 2011 (EST)!

Thank you for that disclosure. It is interesting to see that Wikia Inc. somehow chose to send another interlocutor than Lbstone. I think this is smart, and the people currently in charge of the Camerapedia file have made a correct appreciation of the current popularity of that person among former authors.

I also view this as positive that the interlocutor is a woman; this may change from Lbstone's brutal manners. Obviously I do not know Sannse personally, but what I read of her in her linked page is moving my sympathy. At first move, I don't want to believe that she was actually part of the ugly manoeuvres that preceeded the transfer of a whole internet community, against the will of the majority of expressed opinions. (Actually I can see no one that came forward in favour of the move, except for the man responsible for all these events.)

I appreciate the taste of Wikia Inc. in choosing friendly-looking ambassadors, who have an actual sense of humour. Sannse, I see that you are a fan of Uncyclopedia. May I suggest you to ask permission to Flickr member Hoariless the right to post this and this image there?

The church of Santa Maria Maggiore, combined (by Wikia) with an advertisement for a large lump of meat.

Top page of a Wikia wiki, combining the Canon Powershot and a bizarre ad for sushi.

I don't want to enter any technical discussion here in your personal page and somehow spoil the show. I'm not sure that I completely understood your statement on behalf of Wikia Inc. that it is a non-commercial company, so I will reserve any comment for the future. I'll also make an effort to read till the end without skipping Lbstone's extremely long and hyperbolic address, which looked like it was written by a robot, and where he curiously used his own first name twice.

Have a nice day. --rebollo_fr 14:41, 20 January 2011 (EST)

Hi, part of the service we offer is community and technical support - so there is a team of people available to help with any problems. I'm not sure if there is a language issue here, but it sounds from your choice of words ("disclosure" and "chose to send another interlocutor" and your edit summary on Jeska's talk page) as though you feel there is some sinister intent here... so I definitely want to reassure you that it is part of our normal support system to make sure there are Wikia staff available for questions from communities moving to our hosting.

Let's see what other points I can help with here...

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, Wikia is most definitely a commercial company. We host wikis, provide community and technical support, and provide features and tools for wikis on Wikia... all in return for showing ads on those sites. What I was saying is that the Wikia community (and any groups that join us in the future) are not a commercial company - they are a group using a commercial site for their home. I'll clarify on the FAQ page too.

Obviously we helped Lbstone write the FAQ - there were a lot of points on there that needed clarification from us at Wikia, and the tone was intended to be factual and informative. I don't think it's strange to use his name in that context.

Ads on Wikia come from a couple of sources: we have some that are arranged directly, which tend to be closely related to the topic of the wiki, and some more general ads that may not fit as well. Our goal is always to increase the first type, which is likely to happen more as we grow. Ads also vary depending on your location, and we may have less relevant ads to show for some areas. It looks from the images you linked as though that may be the case for you. But in all cases you can easily remove almost all ads from view by logging in to Wikia. In fact, you can even remove the remaining main page ads with your personal css/js if that's your choice - it's a very flexible system :) -- Sannse 15:28, 20 January 2011 (EST)

Hi Rebollo_fr, I'm still here and I'm looking forward to helping with the future of the site. I'm just coordinating with the Wikia staff. I'm happy to let them step in to handle questions where they have expertise. (They're actually very knowledgeable and helpful.)

My announcement did say that the FAQ was written in coordination with Wikia. It has a more general tone, and therefore references me in the third person. I guess it just sounds FAQ-ish that way. --Lbstone 20:59, 20 January 2011 (EST)

Lbstone: I have had a consistent policy here at Camerapedia not to use my first name. You may not have noticed that yourself because you did not pay enough attention to the things were running.

At the moment, I feel profoundly betrayed and defrauded in our past relationship of five years. I have already publicly said that I no longer want to have you as a co-worker; this last statement is final and I will keep to it.

But I have not yet attained the state of anger, and I am still trying to find a honourable escape route for everybody, including Wikia, Inc.

I have had new ideas of that matter this night; to find this morning that you breached yet another of the tacit confidence ties that were obvious from all my previous postings at both Camerapedia and Flickr will not help to keep me in a positive mood.

I hereby give you 24 hours to remove my first name, which is a personal and private information, from that web page by any technical route you will find intelligent. That you think that this private information is not too difficult to obtain by other means is irrelevant. I see a perfectly clear distinction between "easy to obtain by someone actually interested" and "placed at a prominent place".

I will make sure to check that you did not take the opportunity to remove any other information.

And I am perfectly conscious that I am revealing you one of my actual weak points. I want to preserve the reputation of "rebollo_fr" as an ex-author and maybe ex-member of an Internet community. And in parallel I do not want my physical self to be permanently associated with these events on the Internet in a way that I would consider too obvious.

Now that I have publicly revealed this weak point, I formally ask any member of Wikia Inc. paid and unpaid staff not to use my first name in any situation whatever, until some sort of trust relationship is regained. And as a private individual, though I now have little trust in your words, I ask you Lbstone not to address me or describe my actions by using my first name in any situation.

This may be the only thing I will want to take really seriously, and I only hope that there is still some sense of honour to be found somewhere at Wikia Inc.

--rebollo_fr 03:58, 21 January 2011 (EST)

Rebollo_fr, I reached out to you for advice when considering what was the best hosting for Camerapedia, and have to say I was unhappy with your leaking of our private conversation. I asked for more time and you decided not to honor that request. This situation could have gone a different way, otherwise. But, I understand your worries, and why you wanted to make everything public. So, hopefully we can continue to work together and keep the conversation civil and constructive.

As for the name, I'm not sure that I understand. I remember people calling you by that name publicly. I try to keep a close eye on detail and it looked like a precedent had been set that you went by both names. (Do a search for the name in this wiki and you'll see that it appears several times from different people without any apparent complaint from you.)

You even posted the name yourself on the Google Group, when you first publicly announced that we were having private conversations. Further down the thread, you publicly signed your own post with that name. The Google Group has public archives and is referenced from Camerapedia and Flickr several times.

I hope you can understand why it never occurred to me that this would be an issue for you.

Regardless, I'll do my best to only call you Rebollo_fr from now on. Also, keep in mind that you're able to edit any parts of this wiki to correct any mislabeling.

--Lbstone 06:07, 21 January 2011 (EST)

@Rebollo_fr: I did so: removed Your first name from a mi-fo.de entry where I accidentally used it. Sorry. U. Kulick 06:22, 21 January 2011 (EST)

Questions & Answers

Welcome aboard, Sannse.

We have an actual lack of moderators in the Flickr group. Thus I gave You the moderator role.

Will it be possible to load up images to the new site? Flickr offers choice of public rights settings for each image.

Before You answer please look into the more burning discussions on-site and on Flickr. I think they are running extremely doubtful just because our duty editor Rebollo_fr was informed late about the wiki purchase. Some fear commercialism, an even more delicate question may be the GNU_Free_Documentation_License license question. Please see yourself.

Best regards, Uwe (U. Kulick 14:53, 20 January 2011 (EST))

Hi Uwe. I'm possibly not the right person to be a Flickr moderator, my knowledge is all on the wiki side of things :) But I'm happy to help as I can.

The new location isn't set up yet, but it will be possible to upload there once it's all in place.

Please see above and the FAQ for more on the license. The GFDL actually allows commercial use (which is part of the reason that Wikipedia originally used the license -- to allow as much open and free use of the content as possible) but we do actually host wikis under non-commercial licenses too. We provide hosting and support in return for ads, there isn't any conflict with a non-commercial community using our service. -- Sannse 15:28, 20 January 2011 (EST)

Hello Sannse. Sorry, I've structured this page with headlines. The page automatically gets a hidable contents list when it has 4 headers. I think it's a good idea because You entered the project as wikia staff member in times of many discussions. Here my new question for this Q&A section which is thought for the questions that You wanted. This time my question is about wikimedia images: Is it possible to link them into a commercially hosted wiki like camerapedia will be? technical or rights issues concerning this? U. Kulick 10:52, 21 January 2011 (EST)

Thanks for the page tidy :)

There are no problems at all with using Wikimedia images. In fact, we can set the wiki up to use them via "InstantCommons" if that's what the community wants. This allows you to use images from Wikimedia Commons directly, as if they were on this wiki, rather than needing to copy them over. It's a service Wikimedia provides as part of the MediaWiki software we both use.

I got involved in Wikipedia and Wikimedia relatively early (from 2002) and one of the key elements of the project is ensuring that the content is as available as possible for re-use. Wikimedia Commons won't even allow images to be added if they can't be used commercially. Wikia is more flexible in that respect - we allow both "fair use" and -nc images. We provide hosting and support to communities in return for ads, which doesn't prevent communities using images under varied licenses. -- Sannse 12:38, 21 January 2011 (EST)