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Hello Süleymandemir; welcome to Camera-wiki.org.
I hope you don't mind my tinkering with your new article; but really, I believe that Ihagee wrote something that now look like "Jhagee" merely in order to make the "I" look more stylish. I think that these days it would be called a "swash" version of "I".
A lot of excellent photography is coming out of Turkey recently. Among ("purely") Turkish photographers, I regret that I only know of Ara Güler (and I know little even of his work). As for the (more or less) foreigners, I've recently been very interested in a very odd book titled The State of Ata, by an expatriate Turkish woman and her American husband. It has text in both English and Turkish. I am sure that it would interest many people in Turkey, though it may anger some of them. But I'm sure that it's not intended to inflame: it just takes a subject that is both very obvious and very elusive, and sticks with it, to odd effect. Zuleika 01:38, 28 March 2011 (PDT)
Thanks, Maybe you are right, maybe not. How about the writing on the lens Jhagee? This is with very regular letters. There is a similar J writing of I on Agfa Jsolette then had been changed as Isolette. --Dr.Süleyman Demir 01:53, 28 March 2011 (PDT)
Let's look a bit more deeply at "I" and "J". They share an origin: the latter started as a decorative form of the former. Compare "U" and "V": they too started the same, and even now if a company wants to evoke lapidary writing (and thinks its readers have the patience to put up with it), it can use "V" for "U". Thus we see what looks like "BVLGARI", which is just "Bulgari" written pretentiously/decoratively. Perhaps back in the twenties and thirties Germans had more tolerance for the use of "J" than they do now. Perhaps, yes, you can say that it is an actual "J", but then the question would arise of how it is that German, a language whose punctuation is very closely related to its spelling, would pronounce the initial syllable /ɪ/ (I think) rather than /j/. Maybe I am indeed wrong and we should ask a German (preferably a very literate one). Zuleika 02:07, 28 March 2011 (PDT)
Thanks Zuleika, as I said, your opinion could be right. I added a second note about my alternate explanation. I believe that this kind of J/I writings had been changed due to the very hard/strange rules of Nazi government times just before the war. Let us leave the judging to the readers :) --Dr.Süleyman Demir 02:17, 28 March 2011 (PDT)
The Nazis certainly did have some very strange minor effects (as well, of course, as their more important and very nasty effects). So conceivably they are relevant. (Irrelevantly to Nazism, I'm always charmed by the coexistence of dotted and undotted upper- and lowercase "i" in Turkish.) Zuleika 03:29, 28 March 2011 (PDT)
Hi, I guess I solved the I/J problem. We are both right:)) and thanks to you correcting my opinion in somehow. I've made some research and found this site: Old German Capital Letters
Compare these old I letters with the Ihagee logo :)
The capital letter I looks like J in old German !.. The writing form of this letter changed c.1937, probably it was a Nazis effect to clean somethings, like burned books !..
Now, I will correct the info in the Auto-Ultrix page.
The clear J writing on the lens is probably an attempt to engrave I like J of other manufacturers.
ps. I do not know the book that you mentioned. I must search it. Do you know Turkish ? and Where are you from? --Dr.Süleyman Demir 04:34, 28 March 2011 (PDT)
No, unfortunately I don't know Turkish, and haven't been to Turkey for a very long time indeed. Here is the website (in English only, I think) of the book. I found the book very interesting but can easily imagine that many people in Turkey would not. Zuleika 08:29, 28 March 2011 (PDT)
Yay, It is very clear that AKP partisans hate from the book :)) --Dr.Süleyman Demir 00:44, 29 March 2011 (PDT)
- Well, I hope that it didn't offend you, and that my tentative recommendation of it didn't offend you either.
- You have a very impressive collection of cameras; I'm rather jealous. Zuleika 05:19, 9 April 2011 (PDT)
Hello again. Thank you for creating Zweiformat-Auto-Ultrix, and for providing images. There's one little problem: although you link to this Flickr page, and this is yours, and we can infer that everything is really OK, the Flickr page says "All rights reserved" and doesn't mention Camera-wiki.org. Could you possibly add the photograph to the "camerawiki" pool? Thank you! Zuleika 04:31, 11 April 2011 (PDT)
Hey, "I" added my own photo. OK ?? This means that I gave a permission !! :)) --Dr.Süleyman Demir 07:52, 11 April 2011 (PDT)
- Ah, but although you know that and I know that, the Flickr page doesn't make this clear--wait, now it does this clear. Thank you for changing the page. (Or if you didn't change it, my apologies for having misread it earlier.) Now all is well. Zuleika 08:03, 11 April 2011 (PDT)
Ok, it have been fixed :)) by the way, I am really curious that who are you ?? :)) --Dr.Süleyman Demir 08:10, 11 April 2011 (PDT)
- Though most people probably think of me as this, the reality is far closer to this. Zuleika 16:22, 11 April 2011 (PDT)
Wow! --Dr.Süleyman Demir 04:41, 15 April 2011 (PDT)
May I ask a favor? When you add the photographer's name to the image_by= field of the wiki image template, please check this list to see if an image-by category already exists for that person (the blue links). Unfortunately our template is not smart enough to recognize uppercase and lowercase as the same name—the spelling, spacing, etc. must match exactly. Also, our policy lately has shifted, so we try to use a person's real name (if it's known) rather than their Flickr screen name. That seems more professional. All best from Ann Arbor! --Vox 10:13, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
Hi, It is easy to use real name, I will check. What if the name is red, what we will do then ?--Dr.Süleyman Demir 23:48, 23 July 2011 (PDT)
- Thanks! Red names typically mean only one wiki page exists which uses that name as an image_by= credit. Sometimes it was just a minor typing mistake, and the correct name category already exists—so you should still check the list.
- I try to notice once a photographer's images appear on several pages, and then I edit the "Category:Image by XYZ" page text to include the correct links to their Flickr contributions. You can see the format I like to use on this page for you. When you click a redlink, the page opens with some "placeholder" text. But this was written in a way that doesn't flow very well as English. So I simply erase it and use the wording you see. --Vox 07:13, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
Hi, I edited all of my pages or contributions today and corrected the names and photos links as in/pool-camerawiki/ :) I guess you will like this. If you check the Camerapedia you will see many articles or hardly edits of mine. If they are OK you can copy them or I can put them into the Camerawiki? Best wishes from Ankara--Dr.Süleyman Demir 07:26, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
- Thanks for making those changes!
- About Camerapedia: As always, I will leave it to each individual's conscience which copy of the wiki deserves to receive their hard work. While Wikia offers free (?) hosting, I see several problems with them:
- They now have a smaller, more out-of date copy of the former Camerapedia than we do.
- If you look at the recent edits at WIkia's copy, only yours have any substance. Most others are minor, or questionable, or are simply spam.
- None of the former Camerapedia.org contributors with Admin status are still active with Wikia—except possibly Uwe, who is very unhappy with them. This means there is no mechanism to promote any new admins either. No one is there to write Help pages, encourage good practice, remove vandalism, or recruit contributors. Wikia's staff occasionally add some "decorations" but no one seems to have any expertise in cameras (it is clear that this staffer is confused about what a darkroom is).
- So, I leave the decision what to do in your hands. Of course I would be grateful if you cared to merge what you have written over there into Camera-wiki.org too. --Vox 09:09, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
Many thanks for these info. I checked the link and saw that realy only serious writer is me. The coffee developer is very absurd :)
Well, indeed I am practicing to write wikia articles on there. Some of my articles' equivalents are very short or as a summary of the theme or stub like in the Camera-wiki. So, I want to change them but I am in a forbearance that I will disturb the authors ! eg.Vitessa ? Thanks again --Dr.Süleyman Demir 23:46, 24 July 2011 (PDT)
re, Zenit 3 was trying the make the page less bad. There were plenty of photos make it easy. I'm still new to wiki, never really great at any of them but have been using other misc mark up languages for a very long time now, first type setting machines, then old CLI computer word processors, html, xml, etc. Tkmedia 01:04, 2 August 2011 (PDT)
Thanks. I expanded the page :) --Dr.Süleyman Demir 01:38, 3 August 2011 (PDT)