Talk:Atom Six

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Irritating URL

[http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~zeppan_tousan/col4/col4.cgi?mode=main&no=101 Atom Six I]<!-- I get an error message (CGI error) when I click on the direct link. Maybe I am alone in the case. (Rebollo_fr) -->

Damn, you may be right. I went to the page using Konqueror, copied its URL, and plugged the URL into Mozilla (so the page couldn't have been cached). That worked fine. But I've just clicked the link with Konqueror and it doesn't work. Maybe this isn't a browser issue but instead an IP issue: having recently used my IP to access the page in what it considers a legitimate way, I can access it again (with any browser). But I'm guessing. -- Hoary 04:00, 10 March 2007 (EST)
I think it is a problem of "referrer": when you follow a link, the website to which you are pointing has access to the domain name of the page that originated the link. I guess that this website rejects any link pointing to an inner frame (detecting that the referrer is another website), but you can access the inner frame by cutting and pasting the address (because in that case there is no referrer). --Rebollo fr 04:49, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Comments

A lot of dedicated research here! However, I think the article as it stands is rather too determined to establish a particular state of affairs about the division into models I and II; it's going a bit far to dismiss some of the published information as 'surely a mistake' simply because it doesn't fit the pattern. I have added the details of my example of the camera, which is out of keeping with the article's line on how the I and II differ, but without greatly changing the article. I suspect the reality may be that the makers intended the models to be more or less as described in the article, but were constrained by money and/or availability of parts; the wide variety of shutters used, without offering much range in specification, might suggest they weren't able to get a consistent supply of the same shutter. The same is likely to be true of other parts. My camera's back is clearly named Atom Six II, but its top plate just says Atom 6, and it has only one telescopic VF and the WLF. That and the unusual shutter suggest to me that it may have been made from available parts during a difficult time, but that's just speculation. I tried google-translating the text of one of the links (the Zeppan Tousen page); it seems to suggest that the Atom Light Machine Works had something to do with aircraft; difficult to be sure because I'm depending on program translation, and the same word seems able to mean machine or aircraft. It would make sense though; Japan's wartime aircraft industry used a lot of decentralised production in small workshops, and they would have wanted something new to do after the War. The fact that the factory name says nothing about cameras suggests they may have done something else before. I think I found the city block given in the address for Atom on google Streetview; not surprisingly, a modern block with no sign of a camera workshop :( --Dustin McAmera 09:17, 15 March 2011 (PDT)